tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post114857298647373665..comments2023-07-04T03:53:40.171-07:00Comments on Matt Kundert's Friday Experiment: The Difference: Conversion and ArticulationMatt Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151368380950159482006-06-26T17:33:00.000-07:002006-06-26T17:33:00.000-07:00Oh. Well then I totally missed what Alice was say...Oh. Well then I totally missed what Alice was saying.<BR/><BR/>I thought she was cheering on me talking about me rather than me talking about Pirsig, Rorty, MacIntyre, Taylor, Baier, etc., etc.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151349948899252472006-06-26T12:25:00.000-07:002006-06-26T12:25:00.000-07:00Ok, so alright, I think that's exactly what Alice ...Ok, so alright, I think that's exactly what Alice was originally hinting at, and what I was trying to expand upon - I just went with it. Even though it was quite a ways off topic and perhaps a bit out of line. I think the problem is we do exactly that, "follow our noses". Have you ever been in a dark room, and somewhere off in the corner there's a dim spec of light - what's interesting is, you can never seem to see it if you look directly at it, it only comes to light when it's in your peripheral, when your not looking directly at it. Searching for truth is this way, sometimes you gotta look away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151343508666040212006-06-26T10:38:00.000-07:002006-06-26T10:38:00.000-07:00You're right, I don't think I am any different tha...You're right, I don't think I am any different than anyone else, at least in general demeanor (though possibly not in philosophical outlook). I apologize for giving the impression that I was. 'Cuz, sure, I'm looking for something. I follow my nose and look in any direction it points me.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151342235749558222006-06-26T10:17:00.000-07:002006-06-26T10:17:00.000-07:00Ok, sorry Matt, I don't want to muddy the waters, ...Ok, sorry Matt, I don't want to muddy the waters, you sound like a pretty good guy. I simply don't think your any different then anyone else, that is, your looking for something?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151333483694050372006-06-26T07:51:00.000-07:002006-06-26T07:51:00.000-07:00Anonymous,Well, thanks for writing in with your th...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>Well, thanks for writing in with your thoughts. Obviously most of what I write sets its face against the common view you're espousing, but if you'd like to engage some of the particular arguments I deploy, I suggest reading "Philosophologology" located at moq.org (there's a link on my mainpage). There I develop the arguments in relation to Pirsig's distinction between philosophy and philosophology.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151329557070664822006-06-26T06:45:00.000-07:002006-06-26T06:45:00.000-07:00Thoughts of others thoughts are much like the dirt...Thoughts of others thoughts are much like the dirty cloths hamper you hid in as a child during a game of hind and seak. It's a mixed bag of smells and filth that sorround you and hide your face not only from others, but to yourself as well.<BR/>The distiction between your thoughts and the thoughts of others is enormous, it's such a huge casm that within the art of philosophy it's easy to get lost in... Simply because, philosophy is a disease that leaves most of us in the retorical dark for a better part of our lives.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151179483714215062006-06-24T13:04:00.000-07:002006-06-24T13:04:00.000-07:00Anonymous,I'm not really sure what you mean, what ...Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I'm not really sure what you mean, what refusing to be cold, and feeling not the hot have to do with what I was talking about.<BR/><BR/>I was just repeating the point familiar to my posts that creativity is a contest with past poetic masters over ourselves--we are our predecessors until we can kill them off, an activity involving immense strength.<BR/><BR/>And barring mortal combat, which I don't typically engage in, all of our thoughts are commentaries on the thoughts of others. Even in mortal combat they are. It is the system of commentaries that produces traditions of meaning.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps if you explained a little bit more of what you meant, I could then construe it as an unintentional attack and comment on it.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1151167137012464492006-06-24T09:38:00.000-07:002006-06-24T09:38:00.000-07:00If you don't see much of a distiction, then do you...If you don't see much of a distiction, then do you refuse to be cold, and feel not the hot? Or do you just not know what you mean? No attack intended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1150988617863440832006-06-22T08:03:00.000-07:002006-06-22T08:03:00.000-07:00Sam, I didn't look closely at it the first time, b...Sam, I didn't look closely at it the first time, but I read it again. I certainly side with you about the emotions. I take heed of Hume's notion that reason is the slave of the passions, roughly that if it weren't for passions/emotions we wouldn't have anything to reason about (no premises, no arguments).<BR/><BR/>I'm currently writing a slightly different version of "The Difference" to talk about three different impulses, religious, philosophical, and literary (parallel to the ones I copped off of Rorty at the end of "Confessions"). Like all schematics like this, counter-examples are easily enough found, but I think interesting things will pop up (hopefully).<BR/><BR/>And by the way Alice, I actually don't see much of a distinction between one's "own thoughts" and "thoughts about other's thoughts". The only difference I see is one of degree of explicitness. For instance, see <A HREF="http://pirsigaffliction.blogspot.com/2006/04/philosophy-and-biography.html" REL="nofollow">Philosophy and Biography</A> and <A HREF="http://pirsigaffliction.blogspot.com/2006/05/bloom-and-criticism.html" REL="nofollow">Bloom and Criticism</A>.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-1150944823516706382006-06-21T19:53:00.000-07:002006-06-21T19:53:00.000-07:00"he wanted as a child to have that kind of state o..."he wanted as a child to have that kind of state of bliss that is associated with religion and Platonism"<BR/><BR/>Hmmm.<BR/><BR/>Did you see <A HREF="http://elizaphanian.blogspot.com/2006/06/love-is-highest-form-of-knowing.html" REL="nofollow">this post</A>?Sam Charles Nortonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04088870675715850624noreply@blogger.com