tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post639573891956644553..comments2023-07-04T03:53:40.171-07:00Comments on Matt Kundert's Friday Experiment: Love Poetry, Pain, Distance, and RomanceMatt Khttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-911717993349501782008-02-24T13:03:00.000-07:002008-02-24T13:03:00.000-07:00Matt,You should be pleased to hear that my neocort...Matt,<BR/>You should be pleased to hear that my neocortex has informed the limbic system of my errors and the excitement I previously reported has subsided.<BR/><BR/>No gloating or I may not share next time!<BR/>GlennAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-40271092364279027012008-02-23T11:09:00.000-07:002008-02-23T11:09:00.000-07:00That's funny that you got an erection with your's ...That's funny that you got an erection with your's Glenn, because your version is the one with the feminine ending.<BR/><BR/>(For those keeping score, that is technically not true. Neither mine nor Glenn's has a feminine ending: they are both masculine, both end on a stressed syllable, though Glenn's does have the extra syllable--if it had been unstressed it would have been feminine. The difference between the two are three fold: 1) my two lines are both exact trimeters of 6 syllables, whereas Glenn's 2nd trimeter has 7, which makes 2) Glenn's 2nd line an anapest plus 2 iambs--de de dum, de dum, de dum--whereas mine is two anapests. Glenn's line then seems to rhythmically mimic the iambic first line. Or, you could read the line as catalectic, as trochaic tetrameter missing the final syllable--dum de, dum de, dum de, dum. All these stressed, masculine dums may have quivered Glenn's C-fiber. Personally, I like the iambic matched with my anapestic (rather than Glenn's mixed), but I suspect Glenn is looking at 3) his "almost" qualifies "month," rather than "May," which is even odder syntax than mine because what, after all, is an "almost month"--it's not quite a month? Then what is it?)Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-28245148403589310622008-02-22T12:19:00.000-07:002008-02-22T12:19:00.000-07:00Hey Matt,Wouldn't "I thought of you today/In this ...Hey Matt,<BR/>Wouldn't "I thought of you today/In this almost month of May" be better? If it's any indication of Quality, I got an erection with my version and not with yours.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-53732029719079505162008-02-12T23:06:00.000-07:002008-02-12T23:06:00.000-07:00This is part of why the idea of levels and rationa...This is part of why the idea of levels and rationality and the whole bit make me laugh. It's all about fucking? It's the "all" that gets you. You ask, "Why put the effort and time into saving money for something if you’re not going to buy," and there are a lot of reasons if you haven't already decided that "you wouldn't waste time with romance if wasn't for your mojo."<BR/><BR/>You're singing my song when you wonder how many poems have been written after climax--there's no distance anymore. The true Don Juan, not the one who is used as a figure to be reformed, is the one who is in love with falling in love, because it is the falling that exhibits all of the energy, the eros. Don Juan is a poet who cannot write but when three feet from his Muse, in the impossible gesture of continuous, eternal falling.<BR/><BR/>The point <I>isn't</I> to land.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-37060454520945054402008-02-11T20:10:00.000-07:002008-02-11T20:10:00.000-07:00Let me make clear that I don't think sex is bad, o...Let me make clear that I don't think sex is bad, or by itself irrational. I'm speaking more of the surrounding behavior in that it is not consistent with the use of reason..... On the other hand I'm being a bit of a "dirty" relativist. Nobody likes em', and I'm one of em'. <BR/>In other words, what is using reason when your horny? Where do we couch the faculty of reason? Is there intellectual reason, relative to social reason, relative to biological reason? If we accept Pirsig's notion of multiple levels of perceived quality, again, should we do the same with reason? Surely biology is reasonable, but with respect to what? Do we have to be clear about what our perspectives are when saying something is rational?<BR/><BR/>I've always thought of biological quality as something one blindly follows. It consumes you if you allow it, and requires little to no effort to fall into. On the other hand, intellectual quality is flag you have to consciously pick up and carry on your own. i.e. biology finds you, however you have find the intellect (the high country is it were).<BR/><BR/>Is there something called "love" to be distinguished from "sex"? Absolutely! I have kids. But no God I'm afraid.<BR/><BR/>"Romance" from "love" and "sex"? Eh, I'm not so sure on this one. This seems nothing more then a game of reciprocity that eventually leads to the top of the mountain. Again, you wouldn't waste time with romance if wasn't for your mojo. This is akin to the "ego climber", your mojo is the goal and the reason you climb the romance mountain. Why put the effort and time into saving money for something if you’re not going to buy.<BR/><BR/>Is love painful? You know it. And so is an empty stomach, which is why I satisfy it with food. I wonder how many of the worlds great recipes were created on an empty stomach (is not a recipe a poetry of taste)? And there too, I wonder how many great works of love poetry were created after ejaculation? I'm not sure many men could write, not to mention be creative,,, while they're sleeping.<BR/><BR/>Now where's that sock, I'm all worked up now....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-14934079336962799302008-02-11T18:51:00.000-07:002008-02-11T18:51:00.000-07:00My problem is that I don't like the epithet "irrat...My problem is that I don't like the epithet "irrational," nor do I think sex is bad, which is a lovely dovetail of many religions and Platonism.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, kids and people act stupid when they're horny and/or drunk. Is it irrational? Meh. I think rationality is a matter of being consistent, being able to give reasons for your actions. "Biological quality" has nothing to do with rationality--it is arational. If people want to let their dicks or poonannies run their life, they are free to, though we can certainly wonder at the wisdom in it. Irrational? Depends--if a married man can't put together a coherent self-image after cheating, then sure, he acted irrationally having sex with the bar whore, which caused him to lose his wife, and then his job. But still, maybe "rashly" is a better description. And "sad" for the relationship you have with your sock.<BR/><BR/>Is poetry an intellectual outlet for biological quality, a game for physical satisfaction? Maybe. I'm not terribly big on theoretical reductionisms. They pose a presumptuous, arrogant pre-empting of intentional description. Some poets are trying to screw the objects of their poetry. Some are trying to write something beautiful. Some are trying to write something new. Some are trying to change society. Many are doing all of them at the same time. Sometimes we are self-deceptive about why we do stuff, sometimes not. Sometimes we misread the actions of others. Sometimes we're right.<BR/><BR/>Is there something called "love" to be distinguished from "sex"? Yeah, I think so. "Romance" from "love" and "sex"? Sure. The thing I found interesting about the sonnets is that to describe how much they are in love, the poets often describe how much pain they are in.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-54558997116225208232008-02-11T06:52:00.000-07:002008-02-11T06:52:00.000-07:00Let me try this direction. Let me stress before ha...Let me try this direction. Let me stress before hand that (as I've already said), I'm not a christian. However I find it is a source of wisdom no less.<BR/><BR/>The biblical Paul was fond of saying that we should avoid living life in the flesh and instead live life in the spirit. If Paul were to have used Pirsig's language this would be akin to saying: we should avoid living life on the level of biological quality and instead seek a life lived on a more social intellectual level. (I've always believed the OT to be by and large a document on social quality) <BR/>Biological quality is by and large selfish, it cares for nothing save itself and for this reason it's irrational. The society and the intellect should always trump, and for rational reasons. Sexual debauchery always posses a problem for society and the intellect. <BR/><BR/>How many bar fights happen weekly because 2 men want to get they're pp's wet. Or perhaps it's that end of the night frustration over the fact that it's another evening alone with me and my crusty sock... Matt, this is irrational. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, perhaps poetry is an intellectual outlet for biological frustration??? Maybe you have something here I initialy missed??? Is poetry an intellectual game for biological satisfaction??? I shall have to think about this. Perhaps the brute in me spoke to soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-31517922118920836672008-02-11T06:10:00.000-07:002008-02-11T06:10:00.000-07:00I don't know Matt, it's worked for me a couple tim...I don't know Matt, it's worked for me a couple times.....<BR/><BR/>Our behavior sorrounding sex is irrational... There is no more stupid and irrational a group of people then 15 to 25 year old boys. You know that Matt.<BR/><BR/>But ok, perhaps it is rational because afterall it's natural and of course, we could make the biological quality argument. Perhaps it would be more accurate for me to say that sex (and our behavior sorrounding it) takes us out of our intellectual level of quality and relative to that, makes us irrational.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-23774661266681200852008-02-10T18:38:00.000-07:002008-02-10T18:38:00.000-07:00Well, yeah, of course it's about sex, but I'm not ...Well, yeah, of course it's about sex, but I'm not entirely sure if "Hey pretty lady, with any sure luck/You'll pull down my pants and have a quick fuck" would work on anybody.<BR/><BR/>I think the problem is thinking that talk about poetry or love or anything is an attempt to be objective, or that a person's desire to have sex is irrational. What the hell is irrational about having sex? Wanting to have sex sounds perfectly inside the bounds of rational expectation.<BR/><BR/>Thinking that at the core of poetry or rock "is sex, period" is a little limiting. I don't there's core to anything. Sometimes we focus on sex, sometimes on the expansion of language. Certainly most sonnet's are about getting somebody into bed, some use innuendo to imply some of the acts involved, but, ya' know, there's more going on, too. <BR/><BR/>And sometimes it's nice to talk about some of the ways we try and get people into bed.Matt Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05304261355315746372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24152639.post-63747402467664277602008-02-10T16:12:00.000-07:002008-02-10T16:12:00.000-07:00Matt, (on the lighter side)I apologize ahead of ti...Matt, (on the lighter side)<BR/>I apologize ahead of time for this, but I'm a bit of a brute when it comes to these matters. I'm reminded of pure biological quality. (I realize you write with some seriousness and that you'd like to be taken seriously, but I can't help myself)<BR/><BR/>There's something amusing to me about intellectualizing on the matter of "love peotry". Because to some extent, we're trying to be objective about the irrationality of mans desire to have sex, and lots of it (not withstanding it's purpose). Whether it's love peotry or rock ballads, at the core is sex, period. I've always found it to be a bit of a trap actually.<BR/><BR/>I've written things to my wife and bought her flowers/cards on days other then valentines day, but I can't tell you my intentions were always pure. Perhaps I'm too much of a "pound your chest, scratch yourself and drink a beer" male. <BR/><BR/>Some guys have good looks, others can write poetry, some are dark and mysterious. They're aim is the same. You can speak as eloquently as you'd like about the buisness of poetry, but if wasn't for the goodies you have down below you wouldn't bother.<BR/><BR/>Am I out of line here?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com